Showing posts with label Fate/Grand Order. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Fate/Grand Order. Show all posts

03 July 2025

Fate/Grand Order: Solomon - anime movie review

Solomon is my favorite Singularity but sadly, its anime adaptation was not done justice by Cloverworks.

The Ars Nova scene was an insane let-down:  the weird slow punching as Solomon just says his chant from an unchanging angle, the environment being a plan rocky area, Fujimaru just sitting off to the side, and the actual "Ars Nova" just being the rings floating.  I'm shocked to say that the game mini-cutscene did it better.  

Solomon's farewell wasn't well-done, either.  I mean, look at how well UFOTABLE delivered Iskandar's final moments in Fate/Zero with the epic "You Are My King" soundtrack playing throughout the scene, his farewell to Waver, and they didn't forget to focus on Gilgamesh's rare emotional response to the whole thing. This same level of impact was my expectation for Solomon's final moments. But Cloverworks' choice of music was meh - even if the studio couldn't come up with better music, the game's music for this scene was epic, why not use it?!

Solomon's Ars Nova was done through one single unchanging camera angle. Every time Solomon spoke, it's always the same angle zooming in on his face as if the animators had traced the same drawing over and over.

The farewell scene with Ritsuka sadly had zero impact. I can't believe that at the very end, they made Solomon and Ritsuka talk about the superficial Master-Servant stuff. C'mon, at least talk about how he had been a great mentor to him and Mash! Cloverworks' choice of words for Solomon's final line was: "You really grew into a great Master, didn't you?" These words had no impact. If you look at Nasu's script, it was:  Ritsuka held onto the hem of Solomon's garments, and Solomon's final words was that his "greatest pride was to watch Ritsuka grow into a competent Master".

For this part...

A good studio would stick to the script by having Gudao grab his clothes.

An epic studio would go for a hug.

The ending flashback where Da Vinci recalled the conversation with Roman was also lackluster:  In the game, this is one of the most meaningful dialogues.  But the anime cut out all the impactful lines.

Overall, Cloverworks' animation felt very lazy to me. No artistic imagination. No explanation whatsoever about what Ars Nova does or what "erasing myself from the Throne of Heroes" means. I think anime-onlys who watch this will think this is just another Heroic Spirit's "pseudo-death"/disappearance. Solomon turning himself into true nothingness is a lot more impactful than Iskandar's pseudo-death, and the fact that Solomon was absolutely terrified of death but had to make the hard choice - unlike Iskandar's stoicism - is heartbreaking!  Sadly, the slideshows and the music choice in the Game are WAY better than the movie.

Score:  4/10

24 October 2019

How to get into the Fate series

FATE is originally a visual novel (VN) and light novel (LN) series that has  been adapted into manga and anime.   

I suggest watching FATE anime series in this order:
  1. Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works (watch the 2014 TV series by Ufotable Studio, not the movie by Deen Studio): I suggest you start with this one to get familiar with the Fate world first.
  2. Fate/Zero 
  3. Fate/Stay Night: Heaven's Feel (3 movies) 
  4. Fate/Stay Night (2006):  the animation isn't good and the plot isn't faithful to canon. You can watch it or skip it, your choice.
After watching those first 3 series, then you can watch other Fate anime in whatever order you want. So far there are:
  • Fate/Grand Order: First Order (movie)
  • Fate/Grand Order: Camelot (2021 movies)
  • Fate/Grand Order: Babylonia - The Absolute Frontline Against Demonic Beasts (2019 anime series)
  • Fate/Grand Order: Solomon (2021 movie)
  • Fate/Extra: Last Encore 
  • Today's Menu For the Emiya Family (spin-off)
  • Lord El-Melloi Case Files
  • Fate/Apocrypha
  • Carnival Phantasm (parody)
Here is Fate/Zero Light Novel if you're interested in extra dialogues among the characters.


There are also several other Fate series that have not been animated:
  • Fate/Prototype (earliest script)
  • Fate/Hollow Ataraxia
  • Fate/Extra CCC
  • Fate/Extella
  • Fate/Grand Order (other Arcs)
  • Fate/Unlimited Codes

21 September 2019

Favorite character: Merlin

Merlin from the Fate series has been made into funny meme and people who don't know much about him tend to reduce him to a "dickwizard", which drowns out all the good aspects that his character has to offer. Some fans think that he is an asshole and when asked why they think so, their reasons can be summarized as:

"He cannot empathize with people. He has, can, and will fuck with people just for his amusement. He planned Artoria's life from her birth to her death and his one only real regret is that he made a kingdom collapse along with her."

I totally do not see it this way. Hopefully, with the release of Babylonia anime, the perception of Merlin will improve within the community.

Regarding Arthur and the fall of Britain:
Uther Pendragon secured Merlin's assistance in winning Igraine's - the wife of Duke Cornwall - love at the price of leaving his child in Merlin's care. Merlin told Uther a prophecy about his child, who would become his appointed successor during their war-torn times. This child was Arthur, the King that succeeded Uther and received Excalibur from Merlin. Merlin arranged the advent of Arthur to the throne (the sword in the stone), the founding of Camelot, and guided Arthur to establish the Knights of the Round Table. His knights ventured forth completing fanciful adventures involving mythical creatures with supernatural happenings at every turn. The wise wizard guided and protected Arthur and his court by using his magic to wondrous effect. It was Merlin that brought about this golden age. For years, the world came to Camelot to learn from Arthur and Merlin alike. . . . However, this is where our tale turns sour. Merlin disappeared (he fled to Avalon to evade the witch who wanted to kill him). Seemingly as a result, Arthur and his knights fractured. Camelot was in disarray. An evil reared its ugly head. Mordred now challenged Arthur for the throne. Arthur's Court was in shambles, and when King Arthur needed Merlin the most, Merlin was nowhere to be found. Soon, a battle ensued and in the aftermath, Arthur was mortally wounded, Excalibur was lost, and Camelot has fallen. The reign of the great King Arthur has ended. Britain had been fractured and wars over the crown were plentiful.  
  1. In Fate, Arthuria wanted to become a king of her own volition. When Merlin asked if she was sure about her decision to pull the sword from the stone, she did not hesitate. So, nobody forced her to be king. It's in her blood.
  2. "A foolish man, who playfully meddled with the fate of a single girl" -- this is assuming that Arthuria would have been happy living as a normal woman, which I doubt she would. 
  3. Arthuria wasn't the ideal King. This is the cold hard truth that Merlin realized too late into her kingship. She wanted to save only the people but not lead the country as a whole, which is evident through her wish to go back and change the past just to save "her people" regardless of how that would change world history. She failed to win the hearts of the people mostly because she believed that being King meant being a rigid/inflexible ruler. While the people needed a king, Arthuria's intention was to coddle the people, not to lead them.
  4. The series is called "Fate" for a reason. 
  5. Morgan le Fay played a big role in turning many important figures against Arthur; she's also the reason that Arthur died in the last battle because she stole Avalon. If there was someone to blame for the fall, it's Morgan. It's ridiculous how she gets a pass while Merlin gets all the blames.
  6. Merlin can predict the future with his Mystic Eyes so he knew what would happen to Arthur. On the other hand, he also saw an alternative future where every Briton was enslaved and an age of darkness was ushered in. Britain was doomed from the start. The King of Britain would drive the Saxons out of their country but inevitably, the Saxons would overcome the Britons and ruled over Britain. The fall was delayed for at least a few decades by the ascent of Arthur to the throne.
  7. Merlin did try to tell Arthur about the future that he saw. Remember that Merlin once tried to cue a talk about the future only to be dismissed by her stubbornness. As a demigod, Merlin's policy is to not be biased toward individuals but only be concerned with the fate of humanity as a whole. 
  8. Merlin deeply regrets Arthur's fate to the point that he secludes himself in a tower out of guilt. For he who claims to not possess human emotions, this is a big deal.
  9. Some people hate on Merlin for giving Arthuria a magic penis, oblivious to the fact that it was Arthuria who asked for it in order to have a child with Guinevere. She possessed both Excalibur and Avalon but didn't have any intention to become an immortal ruler and still needed an heir.
    "性別を偽っての王宮生活は気苦労の連続であったろう。 なかでも困ったのが世継ぎの問題だが、マーリンの魔術で事なきを得られたそうだ" [ "It must be tough to live in a palace while disguising her gender. The greatest problem was probably producing an heir, but that was solved by Merlin through magecraft." ] ~ Fate/Material pages 63-64

From "Garden of Avalon" CD Novel:

> With a joyful smile on her face, she said, "Yes. I have faith that I'm doing well in that regard. Please watch me, Merlin. I can't say it will be soon, but I will definitely turn this island into a prosperous country. One that can even measure up to the utopia spoken of in the legends, Avalon." As if feeling happy from the bottom of her heart, she puffed out her chest in pride. 

> “—————————” It was at this moment that the mage realised his mistake. [...] If she continued on this path, she would face nothing but regrets.  "Avalon might be a little too grand. Even I have never been there before."

At this moment, Merlin realized that Artoria wouldn't be able to handle the fall of her kingdom. He constantly reminded her that Camelot would fall.

> "Arthur, no matter how hard you try, all must come to an end. Nothing lasts forever. Everything is constantly transforming into something new. Therefore, it isn't the future that you should be protecting." 

... to which she responded with: 

> "Jeez, what is it this time? You're being awfully talkative today." 


Regarding empathy/emotions:
  1. While Merlin claims he isn't human, his actions prove that he is among the most humane, having a real sense of kindness that few other heroes possess. 
  2. In Babylonia, everyone and their grandmother loves to bully Merlin but that doesn't change the fact that his heart is big enough to take all that crap upon himself while still continuing to help and guide them to victory, saving them as he's been doing since the beginning.
  3. Merlin thinks that he's unable to understand emotions but he found enjoyment in human activities. "I love to see reveries of hope and joy". 
  4. He sees people's stories through empathy and offers wisdom to whoever needs it.  "Go, Cath Palug, I’m fine here. With your freedom, you will play into something really beautiful."
  5. When he saw the burdens that Arthuria was carrying, he realized that she would regret her kingship regardless of the outcome. In another instance, he sees through the truth of what's really troubling Ana about humans. 
  6. In Garden of Avalon CD, Merlin muses on the irony that neither he nor Arthur understood love. Merlin might not understand what love is, but he seems to have a lot of love even when he doesn't realize it (eg, he seemed to have developed real bonds with Arthur, Guda et al, and found that he cared for them more than he thought).
  7. "Go, Cath Palug, I’m fine here. With your freedom, you will play into something really beautiful."

Relation to humanity
  1. In My Room Lines, Merlin says that "humans" are one of the things he likes. He doesn't like individual humans but loves the stories we create. He risks his life to save our ass in Babylonia, helps out in America and Camelot and has been supplying Chaldea with mana all this time.
  2. Like Gilgamesh, Merlin does not like/care about individual humans. They both simply love the stories and the progress that humanity creates. That is a good thing, is it not? The difference between them is that Gilgamesh is more active in pushing humanity forward while "Merlin takes a laidback approach of letting humans handle their own business and only interferes when necessary. Merlin shall believe in the Master, the hope of human history; he shall lend his power to the utmost, and then he shall entertain himself relaxingly. Merlin's desire is to carve open a path for the protagonist's destiny, to watch him off as he walks towards the future, to gaze at that kind of "beautiful view".
  3. Merlin is constantly learning about humans despite stating that he does not understand them. For example, he wants to try out Master-Servant relationships to experience them = he's learning to be human.

To me who has been a longtime fan of Disney's Merlin, Dumbledore and Gandalf, Fate's Merlin quickly caught my attention. I didn't like him at first because of his youthful design that is very different from the fairy-tale archetype. But, his presentation in Babylonia is absolutely delightful! His Room Lines are the definition of "cuteness". His stage play version came across adorable. Nothing fazes him in any situations. He's cool, tempered, wise and playful - like I imagined.  80% of Merlin already comes from already existed legends; Fate simply adds 20% to it. Reasons this character is one of my top favorites are the above plus the following:
  • Merlin the Wise. He's a kind soul who's willing to impart his wisdom and magic teaching on anybody who asks for it. Look at how well he brought Arthur up! I love how he served as a Court Mage and a mentor for both Arthur and Gilgamesh. His leadership in Babylonia plays a huge part in the battle's success. Gilgamesh gives orders from the throne while Merlin leads the squad. Merlin never loses his calmness - he's staying calm to make sure that the Master of Chaldea feels assured that everything is okay.  
  • THE Merlin. Merlin is accepted as one of the wisest, most powerful wizards of all time. But he has no interest in power-tripping or world domination. He mostly keeps to himself and occasionally interferes with human affairs to push humanity forward.
  • Super chillax and funny. Merlin doesn't bother with formalities and treats people as equals from the get-go. His antics may bother some people but to me it's fun and lively. When I'm old, I wish I'd be as cool as him :D
  • As powerful as he is, he is not embarrassed to ask others to protect him when necessary [ eg, when faced with Gorgon's Mystic Eye of Petrification, Merlin shouted out to his comrades, "Protect me, whatever it takes, defeeeeend meeeee." ] :D
  • Strong sense of self-awareness. Merlin understands his own flaws more than most people understand themselves. 
  • White magic. The first time I saw his Noble Phantasm "Garden of Avalon", I immediately knew that he's on the side of goodness. Flowers bloom around his feet when he walks. He can make flowers bloom in the darkest of places. Someone who possesses such pure, beautiful magic cannot be a bad person.
  • "Generally, he is the Mage of Flowers who retorts at most things with a refreshing smile and a calm expression such as 'now, now.'” Overall, Merlin's personality makes it impossible not to like him.

Other criticisms of Merlin from other Fate fans include:  "Merlin came up with even weirder things than penis:
  1. "Insists that you call him Big Brother Merlin (Merlin onii-san)"
  • Okay, this is a criticism that I agree with. Merlin's character design looks very cool and I don't mind his young-looking face since Fate tends to make Servants young for the sake of appeal, but his voice sounds too young. I imagine that his voice should sound a bit warmer. They gave him the same voice as Proto Arthur, too, which I think is unnecessary =.=  Plus, the way he acts in the Babylonia stage play: telling the MC to call him "onii-san" + a teensy dance, which make me go - in the words of another fan: "This Merlin gives off the feel of a hooligan".. LOL!  Merlin isn't an "onii-san" in any sense. I don't mind deviating from the original myth, but this kind of change is out of place / awkward for his character and feels very fanservice-y.  The stage actor who played him is pretty good; his voice is warm and his Merlin is adorable but I don't think he's supposed to act like a teen, especially not an "onii-san".
  1. "Trolled Quetzalcoatl so hard she got struck by divine punishment and lost half of her Divinity."
  • Rebuttal:  Quetz had the possibility and reasons to turn her back on humanity; she could become an Avenger due to how her civilization had crumbled and abandoned her. While Quetz didn't agree with Tiamat's plan, she didn't want to protect Uruk, either. She chose to protect some people, get rid of others and repeat because she felt it's fun to mess with humans and their struggles. In the war against the almighty gods, Merlin was able to disarm a powerful goddess without a physical fight! 
  1. "He doesn't use incantations because he bites his tongue while chanting". 
  • Okay, this is one way that Fate nerfs Merlin because the series can't afford to have a too-powerful character, otherwise he would win every battle and the MCs would have nothing left to do. Same reason for him being stuck in the Tower and can't participate in the Solomon Arc finale.
  1. "Lazy as fuck. Him: "Why need to use spells when you can just hit it with a sword?" (He fights like Gandalf, with Excalibur).
  • This is actually something I really like about his character. Merlin is like Sun Wukong in this aspect: enjoying trolling people / making them do the work just because it's fun AND having the power to get away with it. The Mage of Mages doesn't bother with "trivial" stuff but when push comes to shove, he will always be one step ahead when possible.

"Only the sinless may pass."

Why would Merlin judge himself as a sinner, if by his whimsical nature, he does not sin? 
Why would Merlin, who carried out the future that he saw, feel any guilt over guiding the king down his path?

… Humanity is a strange thing.
Not all who are of its species are humane in their thinking, while many beings that humans shun and fear would be, in fact, the most humane of us all.

18 March 2019

Merlin and Fou

Many people seem to think that Fou (Cath Palug) hates Merlin but I think that was just at the beginning and also for comic relief. Fou loved staying in Avalon but Merlin kicked him out of the Tower so that - in his words - Fou can go "to experience all the beauty this world has to offer". It was for Fou's own good, and later Fou does acknowledge that it helped him grow and prevented him from becoming Beast IV. Also, they have always been bickering since the beginning (like Disney's Merlin and Archimedes' dynamics). 

I 90% agree with this post so I'm copying it here:  


While Cath Palug smacking Merlin is a running gag throughout the singularity, I get the feeling that, while in the beginning he hated him (for kicking him out of the Tower), Merlin eventually grew on him, not that Cath Palug is about to admit it.

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Cath Palug pushes Merlin to go to sleep, and while the smacking seems like a joke, Cath Palug had interrupted Merlin while he was being uncharacteristically depressing. Whether Merlin sees it as him caring or him simply hitting him is honestly nebulous; Merlin IS highly intelligent even if he acts like a moron. Whether he has the capacity to understand that Cath Palug cares much for him is up for debate.

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Much later, when you talk to Merlin, just as Merlin’s being Merlin and bullshitting you, Cath Palug smacks him again and pretty much tells him to open up to you. Because Cock Wizard needs friends.
So as abrasive as Cath Palug is to Merlin, I do think he genuinely cares about him.

15 March 2019

Fate: About Cath Palug (Fou) at the end of Solomon singularity

Is anyone else upset about Cath Palug (Fou) at the end of the Solomon singularity?

I'm never a fan of his, but I find it fucking absurd to have Cath Palug lose intelligence and personality to revive Mash. Even in the form of an animal, Cath Palug is an individual with high sentience. He understands and participates in human conversations, understands himself and the world (something that "lower" mammals don't); as proven by his dialogue at the end of "Solomon", he's at least equivalent to an 8-year-old human child.

Damn, Mash can just stay dead. And after she "wakes up", there wasn't even a discussion within Chaldea about the magnitude of what Cath has done.

Also, when a mortal character "sacrifices" herself and later comes back to life, it feels cheap. And when you review the Arc, you won't feel anything for her "sacrifice moment" because you already know she'll come back anyway. The power of the goddamn waifu/protagonist.

Poll: https://www.strawpoll.me/17615603

08 February 2019

Favorite character: Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh is a character that I went from dislike to like as I went through the Fate series. I initially disliked him when I got into FATE starting with Unlimited Blade Works and Fate 2006.  Then I realized that Gilgamesh FSN version is just where the author (Nasu) inserted a quick villain to be an "anti-Shirou" device, no more and no less - anyone could fill that role - whereas his character is very well-developed in is character is very well-developed in Fate/Zero (by Urobuchi) and subsequent works where we can see his reasoning, his legend (which is one of the coolest) and his dynamics with other characters. Even his interest in Arthuria in Fate/Zero has some basis in ideologies rather than FSN's "yo, I'm just here to be the MC's love rival".

If I have to say anything about Gilgamesh, it's that he's defiantly got a personality. His backstory and complexity fascinate me despite the fact that I don't normally like arrogant people. Gilgamesh in his younger years was never "good" in a Disney sense, but not evil, either.

An interesting "grey" character is much better than a boring hero. The Epic of Gilgamesh is the earliest hero story of mankind where the MC has more character development than most fictions nowadays. Fate/Zero is just a glimpse into that. There are also F/E CCC, Extella and Babylonia, which together give us a complete picture of who he is.

Guardian of Humanity

All of Gilgamesh versions would die for humanity.

"At first I acknowledged the gods and protected humans. When my childhood ended, I hated the gods and favored humans."

Born from a goddess and a human king, Gilgamesh was created by the gods to connect humanity closer to them. However, he dislikes past kings because they were god-fearing weaklings in his eyes, and he chose to depart from the gods so that humanity could thrive. And his rule, with him rejecting the gods, began the Age of Mankind!  
The protection of gods is no longer needed in the world of man. As proof, I built a fortress, and you all answered my call. I know now, with certainty, that it was no mistake! And now this final trial will test it, and us, to the utmost. 
Now is the time to deny the primordial gods and begin the Age of Man! Mind yourselves, my elite warriors! This is the battle for true separation from the gods! Give your lives to me, the king! Pass on the glory that is Uruk to generations to come, to the last man!
~ Gilgamesh's declaration to Uruk as Tiamat approaches
In UBW, Gilgamesh wasn't trying to destroy humanity; he's trying to save it. He's willing to make himself a villain as long as it means humanity's improvement in the long term. While he floated through the Grail's mud at the end of Fate/Zero, it showed him visions of all of humanity's worst moments. Gilgamesh loves humanity's potential and was already expecting us to expand to the stars in his vision but he found that we grew complacent instead. For he who thinks lives are worthy only if they strive to live their hardest, seeing modern humans' complacency compared to the people in his kingdom (which is described in Babylonia where people remained steadfast and unbroken before the daily assaults of deities) made him feel disgusted. And being given a physical body by the Grail, Gilgamesh felt that he had the responsibility to steer humanity's path.

I think that his thinking was, to some extent, correct:  comparing Babylon in ~2600BC vs. the Middle East today, and ancient Egypt vs. today's Egypt,... I can't help but wondering: After thousands of years, humanity should be much much better than that, right...?  As another fan pointed out: "Gilgamesh's end-goal of 'purging' through Angra Mainyu (aka: All the World's Evil) was "fair" from his point of view: It's 6 billion humans vs. 6 billion evils born from themselves. And it made sense to him that humanity should be able to defeat its own evils". So he tried to fix it by kick-starting a Darwinism process with himself as our immortal leader to guide us - though his method in UBW was bad. But then, being an "Ally of Justice" doesn't mean being chivalrous or altruistic. Like EMIYA who has to do a lot of killings as a Counter Guardian to 'save' humanity, what Gilgamesh tried to do is what Counter Guardians do on a larger scale.

While Gilgamesh does not like individual humans, he loves humanity as a whole. Like Merlin, he doesn't like individual humans but the stories, the legacy, the achievement of humanity. He works his people very hard because he thinks that lives are worthy only if they strive to live to the fullest. He challenged people to grow because he thought protection could make them complacent and stagnant. I do not agree with this line of thinking. (But as we can see in F/E CCC, he enjoyed pushing Hakuno because he wanted "to see the story of the human Hakuno"). At the same time when people were threatened by something huge (eg, Humbaba, Altera, the Shadow, Tiamat,...), he went to fight them to protect humans.

An Epic Journey

Coming face-to-face with his own mortality set him on a quest for immortality, only to fail to gain it and eventually, he accepted that he would someday die. To Gilgamesh, it's more than the fear of death itself: "The despair that he felt was because he saw death as an end of his duty as the observer of humanity: in order to fulfill his mission completely, he wanted to observe humanity's path until its very end."

Gilgamesh wanted to escape human limitations, to get answers to questions not available to his contemporaries, and most importantly, he wanted to overcome mortality both for himself and mankind. At the end, he came to term with his limitations as a human. This completed his journey, achieving the final crucial step: By pushing himself past disappointment and grief and focusing on the needs of his people, Gilgamesh triumphed and became a nobler sort of hero. Is he a role model? No. But he can serve as a symbol for an aspect of humanity, of growing past mistakes and accepting limitations. In the end, Gilgamesh is considered a hero not just for his incredible deeds but for coming to understand and accept his true nature.
  • One of Gilgamesh's achievements was the construction of the city walls of Uruk to defend his people from enemies. 
  • Gilgamesh designed and beautifully remodeled the ancient Sumerian city of Uruk. 
  • Uruk's flourishment speaks for itself.
  • His departure from gods (despite his mother being a goddess) enabled humanity to stand on its own feet. This feat alone qualifies him as Best King in my standard.
  • He protected humanity against superthreats like Humbaba.
  • His wish to escape human limitations, to get answers to questions not available to his contemporaries and to overcome mortality. 
  • He proclaims the worldwide glory of "He Who Saw the Deep", who shall be remembered for his wisdom, who disclosed a secret and who brought back reports of what had been before the Deluge.  
  • His path was long and difficult, a road less traveled, a way of many trials and tribulations. He nevertheless completed the journey and became wiser than any on Earth, and he engraved what he had learnt on a stela for the sake of posterity. 
  • He's a true renaissance man who embraced humanity advancements. For example, the future he wants to for humanity is one in which we'll emigrate to other planets and explore the universe, which is pretty awesome! Tell me how many modern leaders even have this on their mind?!
Gilgamesh wants to see exceptional things, especially people who are trying to do impossible things and have the abilities to come very close to obtaining these dreams, those who defy gods/destiny, those who never give up no matter what.

This character has so much depth and complexity that I can't put all into words.  Easily 1 of the top 3 in the Fate franchise. I take Fate/Zero Gilgamesh as canon and much closer to the complexity of his legend. Urobuchi says that he tried his best to give more dimensions to Gilgamesh but "didn't quite succeed" because he had to keep his character somewhat close to FSN. In my eyes, he has succeeded, since Fate/Zero characterization of him has set the precedent for his subsequent installments in CCC and Babylonia

These other instances illustrate the reasons why I came to appreciate this character:

Banquet of Kings scene - see this entry for my take on this brilliant scene.

Then:

Kirei talk with Gilgamesh (part 1)
Kirei talk with Gilgamesh (part 2)

Kirei's talks with Gilgamesh felt like therapy sessions for Kirei. Gilgamesh's read on humans is remarkable. As a little example, he could instantly tell when Kirei deliberately withheld information and lied to him. Kirei was an enigma, even to himself, and that fascinated Gilgamesh. Kirei was selected by the Grail because he had a wish worthy of it, yet he did not even know what that wish was. He did not even know what pleasure was, and just blindly believed it to be a sin as decreed by his religious faith. He was a man who was unlike others yet performed outside of his nature for he was instructed to do so.  Gilgamesh had quite the plaything in front of him to try to unwrap and enlighten. By having Kirei undertake the exercise of learning the wishes of the other Masters, Gilgamesh was able to pick up on what Kirei unconsciously was drawn to the most: the plight that Kariya Matou was suffering in his "foolhardy" attempt to save Sakura. (If you paid attention closely when Kirei was talking about Kariya, you see that he smiled for the first time in the series). As Gil pointed out to him, 'it is possible to find pleasure in suffering and tragedy'. Kirei quickly rejected the thought as inhumane and a sin, and thus something he, as a member of the Church, should reject. Yet the Grail granted him new Command Seals. Thus, with the aid of Gilgamesh's prodding, started the path of Kirei finding his own (albeit twisted) happiness, freed from being Tokiomi's minion...

This scene shows how Gilgamesh is not only a fighter or an experienced king, but a man. He has seen much of what the world has to offer and learned much in the process. According to him, one should seek pleasure instead of drowning in hypocrisy. I can’t really put it any better: This scene shows the audience how wise Gilgamesh is! (when his ego isn't talking). He taught Kirei to question doctrines. He didn't mind what Kirei chose, as long as it's his own choice. [ Not sure if I agree with the "do whatever you want as long as it pleases you" line of thought - it makes me THINK -- this is why Fate/Zero is brilliant! ]. Gilgamesh likes it when people are honest. He is also self-aware.  As an example, you can totally say he's a tyrant and an asshole to his face and he will laugh and praise your honesty (eg, Andersen, in contrast to the pretentious majority on this planet who would 100% get mad if you told them they were fat/short/thot/etc).  Everyone whom he has taken a liking to are those who never kiss up to him. He likes Kirei, Iskandar and in a terrible way, he "likes" Saber as well. There are 3 characters in the series that Gil uses the more friendly "omae" for: Enkidu, Kirei and sometimes Saber. Iskandar, he calls "sonata" which is very respectful and he only uses it for him. None of these people ever had to work to make him like them. In fact, Kirei spends most of F/Z trying to ignore and insult him. Despite this, Gil is barely ever rude to him and only threatens him once: he says if he ever tires of Kirei, he'll kill him, but considering they spend the next decade together, it just enforces how much he likes him.

"'All the evils in the world'? Bring thrice as much if you want to taint me!"

How Gilgamesh overcame All the World's Evil when he was bathed in the Grail's mud in Fate/Zero (excerpt from the Light Novel):

—A vortex started up. Sin, the evil in this world, circulated and multiplied and chained and changed as it whirled into a vortex. Gluttony lust greed depression wrath sloth hypocrisy pride envy, over and over again encroaching and sprouting, whirling into the vortex.

The crime of rebellion, the crime of intimidation, the crime of adultery, the crime of destruction, the seven cardinal sins, the crime of coercion, .............. all crimes should be assessed and sentenced to capital punishment or severe punishment. Refuse and deny all hatred. Kill kill kill. It is absolutely forbidden. Kill kill kill. He will absolutely not agree. Ah it is really boring to have only this one thought—


“—!?”

The vortex of sound that was the curse now circled. There existed something here that should not exist; from within the barrage of denying curses, a voice cried out, 

"Yes!"

Impossible. Affirmations and correctness did not exist within this cursed vortex of hatred. Because everything had determined that everything was ugly and hateful, this word could not appear here—But that voice announced again clearly, 

“That is right.”

That is right. The world was originally already like this. Since the truth has been put before your eyes, why do you sigh? Why are you surprised?

“—!?”

The voice of the curse asked, "What was right? Who was there to acknowledge it? Who was there to permit it? And who was to bear the burden of sin?"

Facing the bombshell tossed from the darkness—in reply, a resounding and concrete sneer:  "A foolish question. That goes without asking. The King will acknowledge it; the King will permit it. The King will bear the burden of the entire world."

“—!?”

The mud asked, "What is a king?"  But at the same time it asked the question, it realized it had contradicted itself. In this place that strictly did not allow the existence of entities, the mud had admitted that there was someone else within it. Some strange foreign object that could not exist had appeared here. That was—King—the presence of an absolute controller, as well as one without equal.

"His name was—King of Heroes, Gilgamesh."

“That is I!”

The black mud cracked and dispersed away, leaving flying droplets. The foreign object it could not digest even by mobilizing all its hatred appeared from within the black mud. Within the burning ruins, he once again stood upon the ground. The perfect, golden-proportioned body was no longer the spirit form that it had taken during its time as a Servant, but a true flesh body. The black mud that denied all life crystallized the impurity within itself and then abandoned it, with the result that a certain Heroic Spirit had realized his wish of obtaining a corporeal body and returning to this world.

Even standing right amid a burning hell, the majesty emanating from the body of the king made the surrounding flames afraid to come close. Gilgamesh generously bared his naked statue-like body, sneering impatiently.


Even though he felt it to be very troublesome, he could not refuse to meet battle since this was the challenge issued to him by the gods. Gilgamesh began to laugh wryly again at his status as the King of Heroes.


Also, Kirei's revival:

"The black mud which had been unable to corrupt Archer followed the path of the mana supply that had formerly linked Archer to his Master, arrived at Kotomine Kirei’s physical body and became the source of a life-force supply that substituted for a heart". Thus had Kirei revived.

Why did the mud spit Gilgamesh back out?  Because the Grail could not corrupt him even after utilizing all of its hatred. Servants are normally corrupted upon contact with the Grail, but Gilgamesh is incorruptible due to his powerful ego that can stave back the mental pollution. The anime makes it look like "being spit out of the mud" was no big deal, but this is one scene I hate Ufotable for leaving out. It's one of the reasons Gilgamesh is the most badass King - who else but he could emerge from that, even better than before?  

"I have been bearing the burden of humanity from the beginning of time".  He doesn't "break" under such burden and we all know that he will never "break". Other instances that demonstrate his strength were when his only friend died and then when his search for immortality failed, he turned pain into character growth. I like how he can stand up to everything. Strength of mind, strength of body, courage and intellect - Is there anyone else more fitting to be a King of All?

Babylonia Arc - Grand Order

It is here that Gilgamesh's good qualities really shine: He fully commits to the betterment of his kingdom and genuinely cares for his subjects. In turn, he is rewarded with their loyalty and love even in the face of destruction. He also shows a better degree of patience and tolerance when first meeting Gudao and co., testing their value by having them first perform menial tasks. Also, his interaction with Ishtarin makes for comedy gold! This Gilgamesh here is Fate/Zero Gilgamesh who is tempered and wise - the older version of him after he returned from his long quest for immortality - and rules over Uruk with more wisdom. He no longer considers Ea his greatest treasure, but the people of Uruk themselves (he gave away most weapons in his treasury to his people). This Gilgamesh is the one who has reached the depth of mankind's wisdom and has returned to instruct mankind.  However, it's not a 180° change of character - he still retains a lot of arrogance.  [ I actually like that it isn't a complete 180° change because that wouldn't be interesting anymore - especially when he brings comedy to many scenes that he's in ].  In short, older Gilgamesh is "He Who Saw the Deep", he who leads the present to the future.


Addendum: 
  1. The view on Immortality in Fate (concerning Gilgamesh)
  2. In Fate/Strange Fake, Gilgamesh acts as a mentor to his little Master, telling her that "children eyes should be shining with potentials and wonders" because he sees through it that the adults are using her as a figurehead, so he tells her to follow her own path, and shows her that is more in life than duty and sacrifice.  One look at this tells me that Fate/Strange Fake intends to do the Sesshomaru-Rin moe-moe relationship type with Gilgamesh-Tine :P
  3. In Fate/Extra CCC, Gilgamesh learns to like Hakuno; although he scolds him from time to time, he dispenses wisdom along the way and saves his life by breaking the rule at the end.
  4. In Fate/Extella, Gilgamesh offers himself as "second in command", pretending it's to honor his father's promise when he's just there to watch out for Hakuno.
  5. Even in Fate/Zero, he's nice to Iskandar and Kirei, offers a bit of wisdom to Saber (by telling her she's not wrong and to continue on her path), and spares Waver out of admiration for his loyalty (while other Masters don't spare each other).
  6. Gilgamesh subreddit :D


[ To be updated ]

20 December 2018

Fate series: Caster Gilgamesh Valentine scene


Gilgamesh:  "What, a gift?  From you, to me?

..... You really don't know fear, do you? 
I didn't think you would get ahead of me and give me something.

Well, I will take it as a strong point of yours.
After all, you're the idiot who got through that difficult situation with courage alone.

Then? Where is it?
Don't make me wait too much. Hurry up and hand it over!

............
Hey, is this that thing? That thing which all the Heroic Spirits are making a fuss over about?  Valentine's chocolate?

N---!
You fool! Just who do you think I am?! 
Even if I'm being more prudent now, I'm still the great King of Uruk, who collected all the treasures of the world!  
Well, Ishtar took a part of them, but, leaving that aside.  
To give me something like this...
Aren't you ashamed!? Reflect on yourself!"

[ Choices:
1. As I thought, homemade chocolates from an amateur weren't good!
2. If only we had a high-class brand shop in Chaldea! ]

"You fool! I'm not talking about quality. It's about quantity.  
This won't last two bites.  
With this amount of sweets, our banquet will be over in an instant!
Do you think that your fun time with the King will last only a few minutes?!

..... Hmph. You're truly hopeless.
But this must be the limit of a poor Master.
It can't be helped. This time, specially for you, I'll show you a real Valentine.
Follow me, Guda.
You'll learn what my Uruk (treasure) really is!"

Basically... Gilgamesh first complained about your gift, saying that 'quantity matters as much as quality'.  Then he said, "Do you think that your fun time with the king will last only a few minutes?"  ( XD )

Then he invited you on "A Whole New World" trip to see Uruk - it is his greatest treasure so it's like him showing you a part of his heart. He sure knows how to make you feel special.

Caster Gilgamesh is so nice, isn't he?  And Uruk looks absolutely stunning!  (I didn't think that ~2600BC could look that beautiful).

This is a fanservice event but an awesome scene and this is what Caster Gilgamesh would totally do.